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Crewel delusions

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Crewe station, by RuthAS

Using the current Crewe station for HS2 trains is ‘impractical’, as it is “past its sell-by date”, claimed rail enthusiast Pete Waterman on Redshift Radio earlier this year (begins at 2 mn 54 sec). Mr Waterman wants a new station built, but exactly where, is not clear.

Cheshire East council leader Michael Jones has called for Network Rail to build a new station south of Crewe linked to the town by a monorail, and the Cheshire and Warrington Local Transport Body is also in favour of a new station.

Rebuilding Crewe’s existing station for very high speed trains, or building a new one south of the town centre, would cost hundreds of millions of pounds, and add to the massive disruption caused by HS2. Alternative concepts, such as upgrading the existing lines, are far cheaper, less disruptive, and less risky than ‘HS2 Plus Michael Jones Monorail’, ‘HS2 Plus Geoff Inskip’s Cable Car‘, etc.

Written by beleben

December 16, 2013 at 2:40 pm

Posted in High speed rail, HS2

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  1. Jones also recently claimed that HS2 could mean ‘60,000 jobs’ for Crewe. Crewe currently has a population of 84,000!

    Joe Rukin

    December 16, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    • …and that’s the total population! Working population less than this number of made up jobs. Unemployment rate in area already below national average. HS2 will have to create some new people too!

      Wat Tyler

      December 16, 2013 at 11:34 pm

  2. What an utterly stupid plan. Whatever happened to the use of classic compatible sets?


    December 17, 2013 at 8:58 am

  3. A little over a year ago, Cheshire East council leader Michael Jones had a very different “vision” of the Crewe HS2 Hub:

    As you have outlined elsewhere, in reality, he will have non-stopping HS2 in tunnel below and 2-3tph classic compatibles (single set, probably) picking up at surface level on WCML. The trains will have set off from Liverpool or Preston to arrive at the Crewe “Hub” which has to serve Cheshire West & Chester, Cheshire East & Alderley Edge and North Staffs via peoplemover(?), monorail(?), high-tech electric bus(?) or just ‘smokey’ the old diesel(?). “At least we’ll be in London in 59 minutes – but hang on to your coffee cup, it’s standing room only!” With HS2, you just have to think positive and view your cup ‘half full’.

    Note: the above document was produced by Cheshire East with Cheshire and Warrington LEP on whose board, Michael, Mike and Pete sit as (mutually – appointed?) directors:


    December 18, 2013 at 11:46 am

  4. … or (as per the 2013 Atkins report), “double length” trains could run north from Euston and then split to “northern” destinations. As Crewe already has 400m platforms (as per the picture), this would be a more sensible station for splitting (going north) or combining (going south) than Warrington Bank Quay (as proposed by Atkins). Instead of running one combined Liverpool & Glasgow service per day, all service via Crewe could be “double length”.

    if Crewe – Chester was electrified, then all Chester, Liverpool, Glasgow and Manchester (via Crewe) services could be run as double length trains. As Euston can already cope with loco hauled 16 coach trains, in effect 32 8-coach 140mph EMU trains could run per hour (on the pair of fast tracks) – yet another way to increase capacity without building HS2


    December 18, 2013 at 3:09 pm

  5. […] Part one […]

  6. […] schemes backed by their own special interest groups, such as ‘Euston Cross‘, ‘Crewe parkway‘, ‘Leigh interchange‘, ‘Birmingham cable car‘, and the […]

  7. […] Part two | Part one […]

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