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When trains get shorter, part two

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Part one

The “shock revelation” that full length HS2 trains would not fit into Lime Street station was among a list of problems with the current HS2 plans “identified by Liverpool local authority chiefs”, the Liverpool Echo reported (23 November 2013).

[‘New high-speed trains will be ‘too long’ to fit into Lime Street station’, Joshua Taylor, 23 Nov 2013]

[…] The 250mph trains – due to run on the country’s railway tracks under the High Speed 2 scheme – will be more than 1,300ft (400m) in length.

But Lime Street Station’s platforms are only long enough for 850ft (260m) trains.

The shock revelation was among a list of problems with the current HS2 plans identified by local authority chiefs.
This means rail bosses would potentially have to consider making Lime Street’s platforms longer, creating a smaller HS2 train for Liverpool routes or asking passengers in rear carriages to walk to the front of the train to get out once it arrives in Lime Street.

HS2 was discussed at the latest meeting of the Liverpool city region cabinet, made up of Merseyside council chiefs.

A document from the meeting, seen by the ECHO, said: “HS2 full-length trains are likely to be 400m long but, since Liverpool Lime Street Station cannot at present handle trains longer than 260m, half-length trains would inevitably result in substantially reduced on-train capacity.”

Lower capacity intercity trains to destinations off the captive network have been part of the HS2 proposition since it started.

At one point, HS2 Ltd were considering having a subfleet of 260-metre trains, to serve York and Newcastle-upon-Tyne — but as of October 2013 all trainsets were deemed to be 200 metres long for planning purposes. It’s curious that a £50 billion scheme touted as solving ‘capacity shortages’ should be based around running trains with fewer seats.

Written by beleben

November 23, 2013 at 8:10 pm

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  1. Does Margaret Hodge read your blog? However as she is a Liverpool MP, I suspect this won’t escape the attention of Louise Elleman. The answers will be interesting.

    Dave H (@BCCletts)

    November 23, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    • I hope not, because it’s consistently misleading. As Beleben knows full well, 260m trains could still be procured if there was a case and there will be an overall increase in seats regardless


      December 1, 2013 at 2:49 am

      • According to HS2 Ltd, there isn’t a case for 260 metre HS2 trains. They have been removed from their rolling stock planning. So the capacity of intercity trains to Liverpool, York, and Newcastle-upon-Tyne, would be lower than now.


        December 1, 2013 at 12:14 pm

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